Zeitgueist wrote:It should be noted that much of sex work is exploiting women because many sex workers had little choice in joining their profession, and/or are stuck in abusive arrangements, especially in locations where such work is underground. It becomes problematic when you say ALL sex work is exploitative.
EllieMurasaki wrote:But I am plotting something for Apr 8 anyway, and I promise I'll address people who oppose all sex work in the name of opposing exploitative sex work.
EllieMurasaki wrote:Huh. I had only ever heard 'abolitionist' to refer to opposing the sort of slavery that went away in the US after the Civil War.
"shut up about your experiences: I am the one who knows the truth about your life, not you - I will tell you who you are and how your life is, and you'd better shut up and listen you stupid little whore".
Setar wrote:also, from what I've seen, anti-sex work tends to overlap with TERFyness, which is why I'm saying this is about throwing even more marginalized groups under the bus in order to preserve "respectability" for all the well-off cis (white) feminists.
EllieMurasaki wrote:Query: I'm not sure exactly how I'd define the term 'wage slave', but people whose only choices are no income or insufficient income hand in hand with severe exploitation would seem to qualify. (So a significant fraction of everyone, if not just about everyone, who's employed at less than the local living wage.) Is that an acceptable term? Or is it not actual slavery, and the comparison between low-wage workers (however low the wage) and actual slavery is another thing that (as you say) invisibilizes nonsexual slavery, and therefore I should not use the term?
TERF = trans-exclusionary radical feminist
emptyell wrote:May I suggest that the fifty shades of slavery deserves its own topic? This strikes me as a very complex and fraught topic.
Wowbagger@LousyCanuck: Here’s a novel thought: try contemplating the idea that there are people who aren’t you. No, really. Take your time. Once you’ve managed that and pondered the implications, maybe you’ll be able to grasp what’s going on here.
Eowyn Entwife wrote:emptyell wrote:May I suggest that the fifty shades of slavery deserves its own topic? This strikes me as a very complex and fraught topic.
Why is online feminism a thing? A lot of time it seems to be feminists getting angry over trolls saying something to them.
Anti-sex work 'feminists', Ellie. You know, the ones who go on about how all sex work is automatically exploiting women because patriarchy (and never mind, of course, male or trans* prostitutes). They call themselves "abolitionists" -- and throw amazing tantrums when you point out their puritanical premise by calling them "sex-negative".
Um, the vast majority of sex workers, regardless of their sex, are glorified slaves. You can say that the way we try to deal with the industry is counter productive, and I'd agree with you, and you can suggest better ways of dealing with the situation, and I'd probably agree with you on that too, but acting like sex work is somehow much different than slavery is bizarre to me.Equaling sex-work with slavery is deeply abhorrent and creepy at two levels
Like the fact that the majority of sex workers are glorified slaves, even if the majority of slaves are not sex slaves?
You equated all sex work with slavery, completely ignoring the fact that there is such a thing as consensual, voluntary and even enthusiastic sex work, denying the agency of people who choose their occupations as sex workers. Surely you can see why that is highly problematic. There are sex workers and former sex workers who are members on this board. Are you saying that you know better than them about the details of their own lives than they do? 'Cause it seems like you are.
A list of starter resources:
Not written by a sex worker but decent article IMO:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danah-boy ... 84382.html
Another article on why it is problematic to lump all sex work together:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... emand-myth
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